Ok so this seems to be an ongoing urban myth, whether it’s chavs drilling the airbox of their mum’s Fiesta 1.1 popular or little 125s, or even big bikes, people seem set on the idea that airbox designers are actually our mums who are trying to sneakily slow our bikes down. or something.
Why am I even going down this road?
On my bike I’ve shown the exhaust side of the engine quite a lot of love and attention, but despite the nice, big-bore shiny pipesness, she continues to run better with a little baffle in the end, like so:
The best reason I can come up with that the bike runs better with a smaller diameter exit/baffle in the end (effectively restricting the flow again) is that perhaps the exhaust is a bit much pipe for the bike – and by that I mean for the amount of air the engine is moving, the pipe diameter gets too wide at the end, which ends up with the gasses slowing down too much and actually impeding scavenging of the exhaust system. Or maybe there’s some sort of sound-waves stuff going on like with two-strokes.
Either way with the baffle in you get a little bit of torque around that 70mph point where you shift into top gear. With the open pipe it didn’t have the oomph to push through that but with the baffle it does (albeit slowly).
A couple of months ago, under what turned out to be ideal conditions on a private runway, thanks to that baffle we hit 85mph.
That was on a 15t front gear too so would have needed even more torque to make it through to the power band.
And it was absolutely equal parts terrifying and exhilarating..,as you would expect flying along on a glorified moped! 😀
Ok so whatever, I preferred the sound of the open pipe but faster always wins so now we go with a baffle…
but wait…
What If I’ve sorted the exhaust side but haven’t really done much to improve the intake side of things, so perhaps that’s why we can’t make better use of the full pipe.
So improving flow on the intake side – we’ve got a K+N filter but otherwise no changes. So what other changes could we actually do? There’s larger bore throttle-bodies and inlet manifolds intended for hot 125s or 150/180cc conversions but they’re surprisingly expensive, and I’m pretty sure the airbox won’t fit afterwards, so maybe start at the end and work our way upstream to the more expensive stuff.
I’d seen airbox mods mentioned on the forums and it seemed like a reasonable place to start.
If you google “YZF-R125 airbox mod” you get a variety of stuff, much of which is noise:
This forum post seems to be actually talking about the EGR delete rather than anything actually to do with the airbox.
There are some mentions of actual airbox mods further down but bottom line is nobody seems to know for sure.
There’s some mentions of removing the snorkel which comes out of the pipe going to the throttle body but that didn’t seem like a good idea to me since it would bypass the air filter and I’d rather not have grit in my engine.
If you look at the YZF-R125 airbox:
If anything is posing a restriction, then I guess it’s probably the narrowest point where the air comes in (circled in red).
The other main restriction would be the little pipe where the air goes into the throttle-body, but I’m not able to change that at the moment (bigger ones do exist. very expensive though).
One thing I noticed with taking the airbox apart is that those intakes, and actually all the curves on the box, look very *deliberately* and *carefully* thought out, perhaps so that they bring air in with the least turbulence or something.
I know everyone’s keen to break out the drill on their airbox but if the shape wasn’t important do you think they’d spend so much time and effort making such a beautifully shaped piece? Just saying 😉 Anyway, in the name of science…onwards!
I got a spare airbox off ebay so that I could modify it it needed but still be able to go back to stock if it was terrible. Looking at it though, the obvious route to reduce intake restriction would have to be to just remove the top half completely.
Drilling holes or cutting sections out would be very hit and miss – given I can’t see or predict how the different flows from holes/cavities will interact. Removing the top half though would keep the filter (which I wanted), but would let me test completely removing any intake restriction (from before the filter).
Just taking the top of the airbox off obviously isn’t something which would work long-term but it should let me test whether it makes any difference.
freeing up the fuel tank to get to the airbox top half of the airbox removed a few zipties added to hold the filter in place and make a decent seal zipties ftw 🙂
So how does it ride dammit?
As I tried to remove my petrol cap at the station it slipped out of my hands and made a direct run for my gopro, somehow obliterating the bike mount. Shit.
So alas there’s no footage from today’s test but I did ride with it for around an hour total on a good mix of roads so here’s some initial feedback:
1) It’s LOUD! Not fun loud, more like get’s annoying after about 3 seconds loud. Every time you twist the throttle and a vacuum is created in the inlet manifold there’s a massive induction WOOOOOOOOOOAR. Ugh. It sounds exactly like you’ve drilled all the holes in your airbox. Meh
2) It’s possibly more responsive very low down. By that I mean when you very first twist the throttle it seemed quite a bit more responsive, and there’s a flicker of excitement but that was quickly followed and let down by the now flabby midrange. Normally the midrange is pretty decent so that was a bit disappointing, and I’m not sure why it would happen but hey. Gasses, physics and shit I guess.
The area I was hoping to see the most difference was at high rpm since if the airbox intake ports are a restriction to that side of the air filter, that’s probably where it’s manifesting itself.
It was kinda hard to tell with the high rpm riding. It seemed a little slower than the other day (normal airbox) but did reach 78mph at one point. Whilst technically that’s a little slower than the 79 record from the other day that could just be down to head wind for example,
Interestingly even though it felt slower, later on when I’d put things back the bike *seemed* quick but didn’t do so well in the top speeds, not making it past 75 in the winds, so maybe 78 on the open airbox was not so bad.
On the way there I tried it with the end baffle in the exhaust, on the way back I tried without, just in case if there was now less intake restriction, perhaps it might make use of the bigger pipe exit…but #nope.
Conclusion:
Without putting it on a dyno there will always be an element of subjectivity, and even the dyno only tells you what the engine does, it doesn’t take into account wind resistance and how it will actually be to ride.
The only solid/reliable metric I have to test with is the top speed and everything else is down to how it feels to ride. I could possibly do timed runs but there’s variables like traffic and my inconsistency as a rider which would probably make those readings worth very little.
Even the top speed is highly dependent on favourable conditions but with a long enough time sample (i.e. riding with a particular test configuration for a week or longer) means there’s usually enough opportunities for a reasonably fair test and to get an actual top speed.
Today with the airbox mods I only did one run, which although deliberately a nice varied mix of roads and dual carriageway (for topspeed opportunities) it was just one run, and even so it got within 1mph of the previous record (78 vs 79mph) which I’d only hit by chance after a week or so of riding having done the switch back to a 14t front sprocket.
So to just do the mod and then almost hit topspeed on the first run, on a windy day, is actually not a bad result. which reluctantly leads me to think there *may* be some merit to the airbox mods. Further testing needed though I think.
I did not like riding without the top-half of the airbox. I was wondering beforehand if I’d like it and then I’d have to figure out the noise but fortunately that wasn’t a problem 😉 The noise is ridiculous and I’d consider taking a speed hit for that alone (if there even is one).
That said, getting so near the top speed and the improved response right early when you crack the throttle have me intrigued, and I feel somewhat duty bound to test further, but whatever I do will need to make less noise than today’s setup.
But wait…there’s more
No I’m not done yet. Today was just supposed to be a “dipping my toe in the water” exercise to get a feel for the issue and test the theory I’d come up with.
Despite breaking the camera mount so not getting any footage, I still wonder if making the intake ports on the airbox a little larger might be worth testing – I did after all buy a second airbox with the express intention of drilling and/or otherwise modifying it.
So if I were to modify it to allow a bit more air, but without opening myself up to the incessant induction drone, how would one best go about cutting it?
Seeing where the airbox inlet is placed also got me wondering – even if we don’t modify the inlet ports of the airbox, would it be possible to improve the flow of air TO the airbox. It’s pretty tight around there with the battery etc. Perhaps The airbox could also draw from a similar port on each side?
Or maybe that a hole saw/pipe saw and just enlarge the inlet holes a little, trying to maintain the original inlet “flow” as far as possible?
Or maybe try something like a pod filter or basically velocity stacks with a foam filter. Shortest, least restricted intake path possible might be best?
Have you got thoughts on how I should modify the airbox? Let me know in the comments or at info@northcust.co.uk, or use the contact form (not you tho Matt. lol 😉 )
Hi I have been rebuilding my sons yzf 125 2009 engine and looking at the the inlet of the air filter running backwards sure this would reduce the flow of air so I have been working on running two pipes from under the front cowling down frame and around the battery in to the inlet of the airbox a bit like gxr zxr of years ago so a little ram air but keeping the full air box ?don’t know about this what do you think cheers karl
hi Karl,
thanks for your message. That’s a really interesting question!
So it sounds like basically you’re trying to build a ‘ram-air’ system for the bike.
Whilst I believe this has been done on a few bikes (including various ninjas, fieblades and the R1), and my understanding of it is limited, so all of the below is “to the best of my knowledge” – I *believe* the main reason it’s not done on bikes like the R125 is because it makes very little difference at the sort of speeds we’re likely to see on an R125. We’re talking like less than ~1% difference.
In addition, if you were somehow going fast enough for it to be effective, the engine would need a way of knowing that that there’s more air coming in so it can adjust (richen) the fuel mixture to allow for the additional air, otherwise you won’t get any additional power gain plus you’re potentially in danger of leaning out the engine just at the moment you don’t want to. This would be made worse if you’ve already added a fancy exhaust etc and not had the bike remapped to compensate (for the exact same reasons).
On a gen 1 R125, it’s an “open loop” system, i.e. there’s no O2 sensor, the ECU just delivers fuel based on the RPM, throttle and temperature inputs it’s getting, and what the fuel map says to deliver at that RPM/Throttle/temp. It doesn’t actually know what’s going on by way of burnt/unburnt fuel in the exhaust since there’s no O2 sensor.
Ignoring temp for the moment and assuming that’s constant for the purposes of this example – if you were redlining it in 2nd (i.e. 10k rpm, 100% throttle, ~37mph) the ecu would be delivering an amount of fuel we can call x. It’s been mapped for that and (in part) because the air input is stable x ought to apply in all situations, so if you’re redlining it in 6th it’s also delivering x, since (to the best of my knowledge) there is not per-gear mapping unless you have a PCV or similar. The assumption is that the same amount of fuel ought to be about right for 10k/100% throttle in all gears.
**In actual fact I do think there is a benefit for per-gear mapping, but that’s kinda beyond the scope of this conversation, and is quite an involved thing to do. but anyway…
If you have a ram-air system and it was actually producing meaningful changes, then the amount of fuel you’d need in 2nd at 10k/100% throttle (~37mph): would be different from the amount of fuel you’d need at 10k/100% throttle in 6th (~83mph), but the ECU wouldn’t be able to tell the difference, so then you’d be running lean and potentially risk damaging your engine, or at the very least not getting the benefit’s you’d be aiming for by adding the ram-air system (because it’s not adding any extra fuel in, only air).
“BUT I WANT ONE ANYWAY”….ok well in that case to actually take advantage of any hypothetical ram-air action, you would need either:
– per-gear mapping, which can be done with a PCV, though it’s not straightforward and requires an additional speed sensor adding to the back wheel (since the speed sensor on the gen1 is in the front wheel, and so to get a speed input you’d need both wheels turning at the same rpm, and afaik that’s not a thing that happens on bike dynos), and actually mapping it on a dyno would require the dyno to actually simulate the airflow/wind speed you’d be experiencing on the bike at that speed, otherwise it would completely miss the point of doing it – very difficult, borderline impossible, imho not worth it 🙁
or
– add a way of richening the mixture on the fly in response to the increased airflow – like adding a wideband O2 sensor and a matching replacement ECU or piggyback unit e.g. a Tuneboss+Staytuned* as an ECU replacement, or PCV & autotune module for a piggyback – also not trivial, also quite expensive, but actually doable in a home garage.
The advantage of the second option would be that when you later decide to also put a performance exhaust on which scavenges better, and maybe a k+n filter, and maybe also a hot cam while you’re in there, then the increased airflow from those upgrades would *also* be automagically taken into account by the autotune system too. Also if you later went to a larger bore cylinder, remapping it would be pretty straightforward, as per this video I made on exactly such a system since that’s what is currently on my gen1: https://youtu.be/O3JxYvFOLtk
Just for reference:
If you were going to do a ram-air system with minimal effort, you might be better off doing so on a gen2+, since they have a “closed loop” system – i.e. there’s a narrow-band O2 sensor which keeps the ECU somewhat informed as to what’s going on in the exhaust by way of unburnt gasses, and would keep the fuelling somewhere in the right ballpark, however given the limitations of a narrowband O2 sensor, that “ballpark” is probably not going to be “ideal” (at least not as ideal as either mapped correctly or going by an AFR reading on a wideband O2 sensor).
This is also why you can’t just slap a PCV on a gen2 because as soon as you adjust the fuelling in the PCV the original ECU is like “hang on a sec buddy, you’re all out of whack, lemme fix that for you” and brings the fuelling back to stoichometric, resulting in a frustrating game of “fuel-map whack-a-mole”**.
* Tuneboss & Staytuned – is a drop-in-replacement ECU setup, which is not available for the gen1 YET, watch this space
** So far there have been few-if-any good options for mapping gen2 and gen3 bikes precisely because of the narrowband O2 sensor involvement. A little birdie tells me this is also about to change. Again, watch this space 😉
Hopefully that answers your question 🙂
NC